Comments on: Opera CEO: IE8 Changes “Not Enough”

By: idirect satellite internet

idirect satellite internet — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:29:38 +0000

I really enjoy what you write here,very refreshing and smart. One problem though, I’m running Firefox in Fedora and sections of the layout pieces are a little broken. I understand it really is not a common set up, but it’s always something to keep an eye on. I hope this will help and continue to keep up the high quality writing.

By: Aavo

Aavo — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:29:22 +0000

Like Jim said above, the problem is more in the way Microsoft tried to use the IE as a lever to pull people off competing products which would allow other competing products to be used.
IE was made to render things differently from the w3c specs on purpose, it seems. The logic seems to be, that by using monopoly in OS market, the bundled IE also enjoys monopoly and as a result web pages are created primarily to work with IE. The result of this is locking people to use IE and hence also use Windows as the OS.
Imagine if IE would be fully compliant with w3c — web pages, even if created with and for IE, would work flawlessly also with Opera and Firefox, and as a result people would have the freedom to choose Linux as the OS instead.

By: PB

PB — Wed, 27 May 2009 05:58:25 +0000

[...] further reading on this issue, I would recommend taking a look at Chris Holmes’ article — it helps explain this a bit [...]

By: Jim

Jim — Mon, 25 May 2009 14:34:48 +0000

I think what Opera wants is to make Microsoft build compatible web apps. And for them to stop purposely breaking there website on Opera browsers.

By: analytik

analytik — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:05:55 +0000

Chris, while your points are valid, you’re wrong in one thing: Microsoft would NEVER withdraw from the EU market just because of some Opera; whether for the “support” or “confusion” reasons.

The opposite is true – Microsoft would give away free copies of Windows just to keep the market share. But of course, that’s only hypothetical situation, so let’s not go into that.

While Opera is great in its support of latest web standards – HTML5, CSS3, I agree that it’s more of a publicity stunt than a serious request. I wouldn’t mind if Opera, Firefox and Chrome would all be included on Windows installation disk as an option, with some kind of strong message that they’re unsupported 3rd party apps.

Not including any browser at all doesn’t make sense – the problem doesn’t lie in OEM, they could have always hidden the IE icon and install X as a default browser – however, retail copies would suffer.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:54:38 +0000

Bryant, Panda X you need some kind of education for yourself.
Opera is from far more advanced than this sloppy product of Microsoft (meaning IE).

By: John Doe

John Doe — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:51:35 +0000

I use Opera, Firefox, and Internet Explorer and I customize each one. I find it helps to have a range of browsers as each respond to the sloppy coding of moronic programmers differently. They all have their good points and bad and each will not display all pages equally or perform each operation with equal speed. This is straight across the board and goes without saying for all these crappy browsers. Let’s not even discuss the problems or vulnerablilities with flash, PDF, or office file content. At this stage in game I believe all programmers and their bosses should be rounded up an disposed of by firing squad.

By: hydraulic jacks

hydraulic jacks — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:00:44 +0000

I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100%, but that’s just my opinion, which indeed could be very wrong.
p.s. You have a very good template . Where did you find it?

By: Shane Phillips

Shane Phillips — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:07:46 +0000

I have been using Opera for about 4 years, and I absolutely love it, and even I agree with this article. Having IE8 removable for me is more than enough as long as MS make it more than clear to the average layman that this can be done. Personally I never remove IE from Windows as I actually still have some limited use for it, and I also agree that there is no way they should bundle software they don’t either make, or license in Windows, if they can get Opera and Mozilla to front the cost then by all means, but otherwise I think things should stay as they are.

By: Bryant

Bryant — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:57:05 +0000

Chris, your theory sounds plausible, but I’m going to chuck another idea in the mix: attention.

Right now, I think Opera just wants to be heard, even if they end up collectively sounding like a flamboyant lunatic. It still brings hits, and with it, a few extra downloads.